Comments on: Siding with the Bastards http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/ Living Without Privacy Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:31:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mackenzie http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/comment-page-1/#comment-178184 Mackenzie Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:43:10 +0000 http://ignore-your.tv/?p=774#comment-178184 Hey guess, what? The video's available, and *gasp* Kirrily's sources weren't lying! http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/linuxcon/shuttleworth Hey guess, what? The video’s available, and *gasp* Kirrily’s sources weren’t lying!

http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/linuxcon/shuttleworth

]]> By: Adam Williamson http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/comment-page-1/#comment-178181 Adam Williamson Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:21:29 +0000 http://ignore-your.tv/?p=774#comment-178181 What's the strange whooshing sound? Why, it's the sound of a bunch of people completely missing the freaking point. It's kind of ironic that everyone who complains about Kirrily not having watched a video of the talk (which is quite hard since there isn't one) has apparently not read her post, which both explains exactly why the remark is problematic, and is about as far from any kind of attempt to censor anyone as it is conceivably possible to get. Really, this isn't a hard one, guys. What’s the strange whooshing sound?

Why, it’s the sound of a bunch of people completely missing the freaking point.

It’s kind of ironic that everyone who complains about Kirrily not having watched a video of the talk (which is quite hard since there isn’t one) has apparently not read her post, which both explains exactly why the remark is problematic, and is about as far from any kind of attempt to censor anyone as it is conceivably possible to get.

Really, this isn’t a hard one, guys.

]]> By: Greg K Nicholson http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/comment-page-1/#comment-178180 Greg K Nicholson Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:00:41 +0000 http://ignore-your.tv/?p=774#comment-178180 Jean: you're free to not care about this issue. You have that privilege. Please don't try to convince us that therefore *no-one* should care. We have no shortage of pixels. Anyway, doesn't this look stupid?: —Women: “Hey, men! You're oppressing us!” —Men: “No, we're not. Stop complaining.” Jean: you’re free to not care about this issue. You have that privilege. Please don’t try to convince us that therefore *no-one* should care.

We have no shortage of pixels.

Anyway, doesn’t this look stupid?:
—Women: “Hey, men! You’re oppressing us!”
—Men: “No, we’re not. Stop complaining.”

]]> By: James Cape http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/comment-page-1/#comment-178179 James Cape Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:24:29 +0000 http://ignore-your.tv/?p=774#comment-178179 Oh geez. I swear to god, you give these fuckers an inch of carpet to roll around on and thirty seconds later they're shitting all over it. darkermatter, Boyo, I mean you. Oh geez. I swear to god, you give these fuckers an inch of carpet to roll around on and thirty seconds later they’re shitting all over it.

darkermatter, Boyo, I mean you.

]]> By: Boyo http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/comment-page-1/#comment-178178 Boyo Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:30:08 +0000 http://ignore-your.tv/?p=774#comment-178178 Women want it both ways, don't they. They get offended when they're not treated as technological equals to their male counterparts, but then they run off and form groups like GNOME Women, BSDChix (would you have preferred Shufflebottom to call you "chicks"?) etc. to compartmentalize themselves based on nothing other than their sex. No doubt you'd still complain if we went off to create Ubuntu Boiz or the Red Had Private Gentleman's Club, though. Women want it both ways, don’t they. They get offended when they’re not treated as technological equals to their male counterparts, but then they run off and form groups like GNOME Women, BSDChix (would you have preferred Shufflebottom to call you “chicks”?) etc. to compartmentalize themselves based on nothing other than their sex.

No doubt you’d still complain if we went off to create Ubuntu Boiz or the Red Had Private Gentleman’s Club, though.

]]> By: darkermatter http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/comment-page-1/#comment-178177 darkermatter Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:10:51 +0000 http://ignore-your.tv/?p=774#comment-178177 Well, I like shagging my "girl" and she likes shagging her "boy". Oh, I guess we're both sexist! If you're trying to impress a girl (oops, I said it again) by showing her how much you get women, then don't bother wasting any more time, she already thinks you're a pussy. Well, I like shagging my “girl” and she likes shagging her “boy”. Oh, I guess we’re both sexist!

If you’re trying to impress a girl (oops, I said it again) by showing her how much you get women, then don’t bother wasting any more time, she already thinks you’re a pussy.

]]> By: Andre http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/comment-page-1/#comment-178175 Andre Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:13:50 +0000 http://ignore-your.tv/?p=774#comment-178175 Ohh 'Voldemort', 'Voldemort'.... ;-) Ohh ‘Voldemort’, ‘Voldemort’.… ;-)

]]> By: Jean Azzopardi http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/comment-page-1/#comment-178174 Jean Azzopardi Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:48:04 +0000 http://ignore-your.tv/?p=774#comment-178174 In my opinion, this is a typical making a mountain out of a molehill speech. I am a heterosexual 20 year old male, and I have trouble even descending into the mindset that interprets Mark's statement as offensive. From the way I see it, Mark was making a joke, period, and the statement should be interpreted that way. This isn't even an issue worth so many blogs and flames. Whether the joke was in good/bad taste is another thing, personally I have no problems with it. But I highly doubt Mark intended to slur women. In my opinion, this is a typical making a mountain out of a molehill speech.

I am a heterosexual 20 year old male, and I have trouble even descending into the mindset that interprets Mark’s statement as offensive.

From the way I see it, Mark was making a joke, period, and the statement should be interpreted that way. This isn’t even an issue worth so many blogs and flames.

Whether the joke was in good/bad taste is another thing, personally I have no problems with it. But I highly doubt Mark intended to slur women.

]]> By: Figaro http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/comment-page-1/#comment-178173 Figaro Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:16:59 +0000 http://ignore-your.tv/?p=774#comment-178173 The only real problem I see, from what I've read, is that he said something akin to "we could explain our work to girls" instead of "*I* could explain our work to girls", practically short-circuiting some brains in the audience that aren't attracted to girls and failed to interpret this as a personal experience to be changed to fit each one's circumstances. And please, consider the context where you're bound to talk to non-tech savvy people (for me as a straight male it's every pub I walk into). Add Mark's fame as a community leader and political correctness radicalism into the mix, and you have a big non-issue being discussed left and right. The only real problem I see, from what I’ve read, is that he said something akin to “we could explain our work to girls” instead of “*I* could explain our work to girls”, practically short-circuiting some brains in the audience that aren’t attracted to girls and failed to interpret this as a personal experience to be changed to fit each one’s circumstances. And please, consider the context where you’re bound to talk to non-tech savvy people (for me as a straight male it’s every pub I walk into).

Add Mark’s fame as a community leader and political correctness radicalism into the mix, and you have a big non-issue being discussed left and right.

]]> By: Leigh Honeywell http://ignore.tv/2009/09/25/siding-with-the-bastards/comment-page-1/#comment-178171 Leigh Honeywell Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:07:14 +0000 http://ignore-your.tv/?p=774#comment-178171 Hey Tretle, I think you're misreading Liz's comment. She was describing the backlash against folks criticzing Mark's comment. Let me try rephrasing for clarity. Liz said: "Kirrily said basically, "Hey, that was kind of annoying, how about not doing that"." She then said: "Then, a bunch of backlash which describes the above as:" And then, re-read the bullet point: "actual oppression of men or attempts to censor people's thoughts." She was not describing men oppressing women, but rather accusations in the comments that those of us who are critical of Mark's comments are oppressing men and attempting to censor men. There's definitely a lot of that kind of backlash both in the comments and in other blogs on this issue. Does that make a bit more sense? Because yeah, some folks - myself included - found Mark's comments problematic. Asking him to consider their impact on the women who are involved in Ubuntu, and the women who could be, is not the same thing as oppression or censorship. -Leigh Hey Tretle,

I think you’re misreading Liz’s comment. She was describing the backlash against folks criticzing Mark’s comment. Let me try rephrasing for clarity. Liz said: “Kirrily said basically, “Hey, that was kind of annoying, how about not doing that”.”

She then said:

“Then, a bunch of backlash which describes the above as:”

And then, re-read the bullet point: “actual oppression of men or attempts to censor people’s thoughts.”

She was not describing men oppressing women, but rather accusations in the comments that those of us who are critical of Mark’s comments are oppressing men and attempting to censor men. There’s definitely a lot of that kind of backlash both in the comments and in other blogs on this issue.

Does that make a bit more sense?

Because yeah, some folks — myself included — found Mark’s comments problematic. Asking him to consider their impact on the women who are involved in Ubuntu, and the women who could be, is not the same thing as oppression or censorship.

–Leigh

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